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Jism
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Car: 2001 RS4 B5

Joined: 29 Oct 2016
Posts: 360

Location: Holland

PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 2:32 am  Reply with quoteBack to top

So after owning a RS4 B5 440HP Avant for more then 2.5 years and did a generous 100.000km, i can say safely that i by now know the culprits of (financially) owning a Audi RS. I was looking for a RS6 C5 avant for a while now but i finally managed to found one. At first i was looking for German sellers / dealers only, since the trend in Germany is to have better maintained cars and figuring out a dealer RS6 C5 with all papers would be better then a secondly handed from someone here in Holland.

However, getting a car from Germany to Holland is a culprit. With all checks and licence plates your talking about 1800 on top of the sale of the car. And it still did'nt really guarantee the quality of the gearbox, turbo's and all. So a friend of me bought a RS6 C5 Avant, he's bin working the last couple of weeks (6+) on that car. Engine pulled, ALL sensors replaced, gearbox pulled, completely rebuild incl torque converter, engine sorted out, BRAND new turbo's, being reworked, for a higher boost pressure (stronger turbine), removed all rubber / plastic stuff and replaced with silicon / aluminium material, new wagner IC's and all. After that is all done, there will be a remap (engine) and a remap for the gearbox, to have the minimal typical wear out which occurs at standard RS6 C5's.

So far i've seen the car on jackstands since the engine was pulled out, he's done alot of great work on the car. So we had a talk, and came to the conclusion, he wants to sell it for a VERY tempting price with the tradein of my RS4 B5. We agreed that the car needs to be finished first, have that damn remap (looking at 600HP minimum) and finally have it at my local garage for a rough inspection. DRC was OK i got told, the rest we dont know yet.

Ofcourse any RS model is a quest, i owned one for 2.5 years, i know the culprits by now and by looking lately on various forums. His motivation to sell the car without driving it is that he loves working on cars to bring it back to where they came from (restoration) rather then driving it. I'm really looking forward within a few weeks to have that thing on top of the bridge, throw a rough inspection, and if all good i'm buying it.

I always wanted a RS6 C5, it's just more complete compared to a RS4 B5. The RS4 B5 however is fast as hell, no doubt, and the fuel economy is better, hence why i drove it for almost 100.000km in 2.5 years. I never had serious problems with my well maintained RS4 B5, aside from the usual things that tend to break due to the 15 year old car. But it never let me down.

Knowing the engine and all is currently out, all sensors replaced, gearbox worked, engine itself worked, i can somehow rest my mind knowing that this is no longer a suprise for a while now compared to importing a car from Germany. I know these things can suck the living life out of you by maintaince. The money i spend on my RS4 B5 for just maintaince is enough to even buy a young B7 RS4.

The interiour and exteriour is in outstanding and good shape. The paint is good. The wheels are original, here and there a dent, but i have RS6 C5 stock and original, unscratched rimms here.

Money is'nt a problem. I really enjoyed day by day driving the RS4 B5. It's a wonderfull car that never bores me with 440HP. I'm just not wanting to have the car the rest of my life, even tho the value *might* increase, i had one serious potential buyer from Belgium, but getting the car imported for him to belgium is a hassle. Various things needed to be brought back to standard in order to have the car imported, and that caused alot of (extra) work.

So, perhaps, or within a few weeks, i hope to be a part of owning a beauty RS6 C5.
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IchBautAuto
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Car: AUDI RS4
Engine code: ASJ

Joined: 20 Feb 2014
Posts: 358

Location: Canberra, Australia

PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:01 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Well, that will be good news for us as you will surely have a great deal to write about. I wouldn't, but that is me. I have an allroad which is the same body so the size and general ride will be similar. It's a good car, just so different to the B5 RS4. You'll certainly pull some big power from one and the acceleration will be brutal. I see an RS6 as a Bentley style sports sedan whereas the RS4 is a Hot Rod sports car by comparison. Looking forward to your experiences.

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Jism
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Car: 2001 RS4 B5

Joined: 29 Oct 2016
Posts: 360

Location: Holland

PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:07 am Reply with quoteBack to top

The best part about a RS is that it's litterally build for that power, usage and handling. Any normal car being tuned to that power range will need lots of adjustments to get it perfect. And the RS is just perfect in that matter.

That's what i love about these cars. They really thought about it, they really invested engineering in those vehicles that are able to withstand up to 180mph (300kmph).

Yes i'm pleased to finally have a model that comes as i want. It's hard to find a good model, not every owner is willing to sell a decent maintained RS6 for a good price.

Just as i i would stick to a good car as well.
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ScottR
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Car: B5 S4

Joined: 22 Apr 2008
Posts: 8539


PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:11 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Wow, that's some.serious mileage. The local petrol stations must love you!
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IchBautAuto
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Car: AUDI RS4
Engine code: ASJ

Joined: 20 Feb 2014
Posts: 358

Location: Canberra, Australia

PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:15 am Reply with quoteBack to top

ScottR wrote:
Wow, that's some.serious mileage. The local petrol stations must love you!
'Bout time you guys got up Says a lot for the reliability, plenty of lesser cars wouldn't have made that.

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Jism
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Car: 2001 RS4 B5

Joined: 29 Oct 2016
Posts: 360

Location: Holland

PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:30 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Yeah i was getting used to that mileage. To amsterdam? Fill her up, by default. Same as for belgium. There where days i was doing over 900KM with just visting of a few clients in belgium and holland. But it all comes down to maintaince, and esp with these cars, dont rely on Audi's interval with oil change, do it a few thousands of KM's before.

The timing belt on the RS4 B5 is within 60.000km, we always serviced the thing within 50.000km. We've seen the wear on 60k and knowing the risc of a snapped belt we've taken our precautions. I'm pretty sure that any RS model can do lots of miles as long as you take care of it. I bought the car at 282.000km and it's almost at 382000. People said the blocks going to blwo up blabla... just dont listen to those who never owned a RS anyway.

The fuel mileage of a RS4 is pretty good if you drive it carefully. I've seen number on avg 1:10 (km) up to 1:13. On a full tank (61L) gave me 450 up to 550KM. The RS6 does the same range, it needs like 20 more litres for the same distance compared to the RS4. You could beat that RS4 up day by day, the thing is just not giving one damn. The next day as loyal as a dog being there for you.

I'm convinced anyway that any proper maintained RS can archieve up to 300.000 miles or even higher. I've seen S4 people with a 2.7T going stage 2 / 3 on 300.000 miles lol. The blocks are bulletproof, it's rather the things around it that needs fixing.
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Challice
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Car: S4 V8
Power: 340bhp
Torque: 301lbft

Joined: 05 Mar 2011
Posts: 3074

Location: Wiltshire

PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 4:30 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Can't wait to see it, this will be my next purchase after the house move ( RS sized garage)  
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mavada
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Car: RS6 Avant Mugello Bl
Power: Viper'd
Torque: Viper'd
Engine code: BCY

Joined: 11 Feb 2011
Posts: 764

Location: The Netherlands

PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 6:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Foto's graag.

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Viper Tuned ECU/TCU
MTM Bimoto wheels 9,5 x 19 ET 30 LK 5x112 with 275/30/19 tyres
MTM exhaust system cat back 4-pipe
with throttle valves in 2 pipes
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jockthedog
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Car: S4-B5.3
Power: C5-RS6Plus
Torque: in' hell!
Engine code: 0xFA

Joined: 14 Mar 2011
Posts: 3131

Location: Moonbase Alpha

PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 7:20 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I just got around 400 miles from a tank on a recent trip in my 6. Well ok, part of the trip was a bit more aggressive and I used 60L for 150 miles
Typically, as a daily driver, I get around 250.

Do the belgian cops not see Dutch cars all the time? I'd not expected there to be any import tax.

Jawel, fotos!

Sounds like around 15K of parts in that build. Possibly about the same as your rs4 was worth? Good deal!

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Jism
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Car: 2001 RS4 B5

Joined: 29 Oct 2016
Posts: 360

Location: Holland

PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 11:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

So basicly your talking 80 litres > 400 KM radius on avg? Thats horrible, lol. The RS4 B5 does it better with 450 ~ 550 with just 61L.

I have some vid's, and some photo's:


Link


First start, very nice exhaust sound, engine is running in perfect condition. Here was the engine while it was worked on:



Basicly everything is done properly, sensors, gaskets, enforced from rubber to silicon, plastic enforced with aluminium (blowoff valve's for example).

Here are the brand new and reworked turbo's:



Compared to the stock ones, these provide way more boost due to larger compressor and still are stock fit. Coud'nt have it done it better myself actually. I know they sell the same K04's for the RS4 B5 as well reworked, https://www.hm-turbotechnik.com/audi-vw-seat-skoda/audi-rs4-2-7l/ , they are good for 630HP which is amazing, knowing the stock ones only do 500HP at best.

I dont know anything about the turbo specs yet, but it will be near 600 ~ 650HP mark, and leave room for future upgrades as well.

The car will be remapped in both ECU and gearbox. The gearbox is stronger as well, the DRC might have a leak, we are not sure yet. But we will check this upon next month when it's on the bridge.

We gave the RS4 a last service today, oil / oil filter, and discussed alot of those things. The RS was a wonder to be honest, lived to expectations, brought alot of fun. But at some point in life all good comes to an end. Time for something new.
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Jism
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Car: 2001 RS4 B5

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Posts: 360

Location: Holland

PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:42 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Well the more we talk about that car, the more the price is being driven up. I've made a decent offer which covers alot of the pricing, but i'm not willing to pay up to 25 ~ 30k for a car that's known for horror repair and high running costs. So it's kind of in awaiting stage right now and if we cant get to an agreement it's back to searching for a RS6 C5 Avant in germany. There are still a few good options to consider.

We might, but i'm not sure about this yet, to haul over the RS4, engine rebuild, new paint, a list of fixes here and there, an RS4 B5 still holds more value then a RS6 C5 and a RS4 is still more fun then a RS6 C5. I'm sure other owners can agree on this. Having a V8 for just it's sound is not everything and sure does not clarify running costs.
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mavada
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Car: RS6 Avant Mugello Bl
Power: Viper'd
Torque: Viper'd
Engine code: BCY

Joined: 11 Feb 2011
Posts: 764

Location: The Netherlands

PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 1:27 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

They're epic, you wont regret it.....





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Viper Tuned ECU/TCU
MTM Bimoto wheels 9,5 x 19 ET 30 LK 5x112 with 275/30/19 tyres
MTM exhaust system cat back 4-pipe
with throttle valves in 2 pipes
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Jism
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Car: 2001 RS4 B5

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 1:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Crap, what a lovely color dude!
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English Expat
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Joined: 09 Jul 2016
Posts: 91

Location: The Netherlands

PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Did you buy the RS6? Don't see many of the S or RS cars on the road here. Bit of a suprise really considering the proximity to the autobahns.
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Jism
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Car: 2001 RS4 B5

Joined: 29 Oct 2016
Posts: 360

Location: Holland

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:17 am Reply with quoteBack to top

English Expat wrote:
Did you buy the RS6? Don't see many of the S or RS cars on the road here. Bit of a suprise really considering the proximity to the autobahns.


No sir.

The automatic transmission is'nt able to keep up with the new power / torque. It needs a complete rebuild and will cost approx 6k on top. Ofcourse that will be in the sales price (again) and i agreed to let 'm have it fixed first, drive a 1000 up to 2000km and then we'll talk again.

The car is bin sitting for a while now. It runs good tho. But i planned to stick with my RS4 B5.
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