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guymcc

Another two hours of SMIC/FMIC research

Still no closer to deciding on whether to go SMIC or FMIC!!

Spent another two hours this evening searching through old posts and still no closer!!  aaaarrrrgggggghhh

Does anyone have photos of fmic on their RS4s install etc. (seen plenty s4 ones) I think this is one thing that is putting me off going this route and some evidence of 'it's actually fine' would be great.  the likes of the cx racing fmic just seems to be a fair bit cheaper than going e.g. wagner smic.

wish I'd bought that DUH fmic that was for sale a while back, oh well.

Not made of money. If I was I would go wagners, or perhaps Loba's ( anyone got these?  Edit - can't find these on the Loba website, maybe they never happened? Price etc.?)

Merry Christmas by the way! Up to the Black Isle for me tomorrow! ( that will mean cock all to a lot of people)
big mac

Do you track the car? If so fmic is a must imho or expensivesmic ultimately the fmic will keep the temps down for a longer period happy Xmas no idea what you on about black isle
davs4

I went with bigger SMIC on my RS as I don't like the look of the FMIC (DUH is the exception) and it retains the stealthy appeal of the RS IMO.

Mine are on a par with LOBA's and fitted with no cutting simple plug and play which is what I wanted  
guymcc

No don't track the car.
big mac

Smic will be good enough then speak to Davs4 he will do you a good deal top guy
StumpyRS4






CX Racing FMIC, altered to sit behind the side grills.

guymcc

Couldn't find info on the loba ones? Davs4 u have pm, or will do in a second!
guymcc

Cheers Stumpy! Who altered it for you? Aiden? That looks good! Looks like u might even be able to keep the fogs?
StumpyRS4

Yes Aiden.

No cant keep the fogs.  The side pipework gets in the way.  I rigged up a hose from the foglight hole, directing a cold air feed to the air filter...


Can just about see the reflection from the inside of the house in the pic:



guymcc

Ah yes, I remember seeing this a long time ago, will search for the thread.

And I think I'll speak to Aiden too in the New Year.
Looks like a cost effective solution.
RubanS4

I went for the fmic works very well
StumpyRS4





You can see in the last pic, how the piupework gets in the way of the fogs.

dest

Awesome mod, the difference was instantly noticeable even without touching the map
guymcc

Stumpy, is that the physically the same ic? Just had a de paint job? Or two different ones but both cx ones?
jockthedog

fwiw guy, the ER SMICs I have on my S4 are a huge improvement over the stock RS4 ones. Save you a bunch of bulging pipework although it's still worth deleting the foggies, just to get some more air to the ICs. Pics are on my build thread. There's a graph somewhere....

hmmm seems to have been deleted. Here's a link to some logs tho - first post....

http://m.audizine.com/forum/showt...werks-SMIC-s-with-logs?styleid=12
guymcc

Yeh saw them yesterday too, which sparked another long search.  Although, are they just for the S4?  Couldn't find anyone who had done these on an RS?

They did look good too, and saw the graph comparing them to RS4 IATs
Doug

guymcc wrote:
Yeh saw them yesterday too, which sparked another long search.  Although, are they just for the S4?  Couldn't find anyone who had done these on an RS?

They did look good too, and saw the graph comparing them to RS4 IATs
The ER fit on RS4 with custom end tanks mods and work well on 600bhp cars.

Unless you are doing the work yourself the FMIC option is as expensive as the wagners on an rs4 as you spend the time making it fit on the car and you need the oil cooler.

The DUH either need chassis leg mods or pipes re made to fit properly.
Matt_D

My feeling is that rs4 ic's with water injection will be as effective at cooling intake temps as a fmic

Guy if you remember a while back i explained to you the basics of water injection while we were at MRC you were having your car detailed.

The cost of buying and fitting a dvc30 system is 1\3 of a decent fmic setup and as davidt showed at the recent MRC dyno day it works well and gained 13ps using it
guymcc

Hi Matt, seasons greatings!

Yeh, i've got the Dvc30 kit on already, and it does a good job of cooling IATs. However they can still be cooled more and thats the thing that I want so that I can map to the fmic/smic and then have the w/m running on top of that!

I'm aiming for 500/500.
lynchy

I would go for the Wagners if I was upgrading
guymcc

@ Doug - Been looking at the ERs, looks like a good package.  I also see you are the UK dealer for these guys.  I see the dimensions on their site for the coolers plus the end tanks are 13.5"x8"x4.5, (which 343 x 203 x 114mm) which is a fair size.

What price would you be able to get these at?  Looking at the website it's listed at $1595 for the full kit.

And are they a b*tch to fit? It doesn't look like they are looks easier than a fmic?

Matt_D

guymcc wrote:
Hi Matt, seasons greatings!

Yeh, i've got the Dvc30 kit on already, and it does a good job of cooling IATs. However they can still be cooled more and thats the thing that I want so that I can map to the fmic/smic and then have the w/m running on top of that!

I'm aiming for 500/500.


Did'nt know that nice work

In that case then it would be either ER's or a FMIC if it was me
satans child

we have the full er kit inc the carbon shrouds on a mates test car.

and they are working outstanding on the test car we run, which is running rs6 turbo,s 3"downpipes and out true dual 3" exhaust, this was built as a daily/track car, its driven daily around london and even then the er's keep very good ait's...  

we have the full er kit inc the carbon shrouds for only £1250 delivered..  
MathiasS

If I could go back I would have bought the ER's instead of FMIC!
ddidds

if you can hide the fmic and still have them work effectively than the better option is fmic.
personally i can't remember seeing a fmic that looks decent...this is why i went for smic from er
AndyC

Pace will adapt the S4 one, the core will be the same. 60mm thick. Cooling is good. Price is good too.

Give Jason a call.  They are really helpful
grizz

Wagner are great , I'm running them on my rs4 at 590ps..
Bops4

AndyC wrote:
Pace will adapt the S4 one, the core will be the same. 60mm thick. Cooling is good. Price is good too.

Give Jason a call.  They are really helpful


have to agree, took my car to see them as at that time they had not done one on a ko4 car. Very very helpful, if my work hadn't gone quiet I'd have there one on mine.
nomad

satans child wrote:
we have the full er kit inc the carbon shrouds on a mates test car.

and they are working outstanding on the test car we run, which is running rs6 turbo,s 3"downpipes and out true dual 3" exhaust, this was built as a daily/track car, its driven daily around london and even then the er's keep very good ait's...  

we have the full er kit inc the carbon shrouds for only £1250 delivered..  


Is that s or rs4?
Want to know in detail what needs to be done to fit them to rs4.
guymcc

^ Yep, I'd also like to know! Sounds a good price!
satans child

guymcc wrote:
^ Yep, I'd also like to know! Sounds a good price!


ive replied to your pm guy....
supersi

Just to let all know we are a Official Evolution Racewerks supplier.

Please Pm for a price.
guymcc

Will do
Still trying to find out how much modding of the ER kit is required (time and money wise) before committing to anything.
MathiasS

Do you clean the IC's before shipping them over to customers ?

In the US I have seen everyone complaining about the big amount of residu left in the intercoolers
supersi

ill raise the concern with ER monday thanks.

on sets we have seen, they have been fine.
MathiasS

supersi wrote:
ill raise the concern with ER monday thanks.

on sets we have seen, they have been fine.


Cool, It's just something I have been reading over and over on Audizine. They are the best or one of the best SMIC's around but this subject has been spoken of multiple times
HHH

guymcc wrote:
Will do
Still trying to find out how much modding of the ER kit is required (time and money wise) before committing to anything.




Same here. If I could get a definitive answer then I would be tempted.

Group Buy ??  

SuperSi - PM sent
supersi

HHH wrote:
guymcc wrote:
Will do
Still trying to find out how much modding of the ER kit is required (time and money wise) before committing to anything.




Same here. If I could get a definitive answer then I would be tempted.

Group Buy ??  

SuperSi - PM sent


we can do a group buy for sure  
HHH

supersi wrote:
HHH wrote:
guymcc wrote:
Will do
Still trying to find out how much modding of the ER kit is required (time and money wise) before committing to anything.




Same here. If I could get a definitive answer then I would be tempted.

Group Buy ??  

SuperSi - PM sent


we can do a group buy for sure  



Now I am even more tempted !!  
nomad

guymcc wrote:
Will do
Still trying to find out how much modding of the ER kit is required (time and money wise) before committing to anything.


Me too!! Whats involved with fitting and what hoses would you use since they are designed for s4..
Mark

guymcc wrote:
Still trying to find out how much modding of the ER kit is required (time and money wise) before committing to anything.


Why modify something designed for S4 when you can buy bolt on for RS4?

http://wagner-tuning.co.uk/produc...Upgrade_Intercooler_Kit_200001004
guymcc

^ Simply because of the price.  It may well be cheaper to buy and mod the ER kit.  

I'll wait and see
marc1

MarkB@WagnerTuning wrote:


http://wagner-tuning.co.uk/produc...Upgrade_Intercooler_Kit_200001004


I'd be all over these if I was upgrading.  Actually, maybe I should  Can you still keep the fogs with these coolers or are they too big for both?  Realistically, how much does removing the fogs help?

Finally what sort of safe power / torque figures do people see a B5 RS4 achieving on stock KO4's with Wagner 100cell cat downpipes, Wagner intercoolers, Milltek dual catback and a high flow filter?

Damn internet forums for planting these seeds!!!  
Mark

marc1 wrote:
MarkB@WagnerTuning wrote:


http://wagner-tuning.co.uk/produc...Upgrade_Intercooler_Kit_200001004

Can you still keep the fogs with these coolers or are they too big for both?  Realistically, how much does removing the fogs help?

Finally what sort of safe power / torque figures do people see a B5 RS4 achieving on stock KO4's with Wagner 100cell cat downpipes, Wagner intercoolers, Milltek dual catback and a high flow filter?

Damn internet forums for planting these seeds!!!  


I think you can keep the foglight. I can't say for sure though as I removed all the foglight mounts on mine. I will check.

I can do the kit cheaper without the grills ...
supersi

I pretty sure you can retain the OEM grill using Wagner coolers. If you want to keep fogs, then I'd suggest you cut out the diamonds around the fogs,  you can increase the open area a massive amount to flow more air to the cores , I did it and see a reduction in Intake temps by few deg
MathiasS

So what's the Audisrs price on both ?
marc1

Good thinking Si.

Mark, PM me a price when you get a chance, once you've been able to verify fogs etc please mate.

Anyone like to guess power figures?
HEKTOR

im running the wagners on mine and the fogs are still in and working perfectly.
guymcc

I would like to keep my fogs too.  So with running w/m and larger intercoolers then hopefully the difference would be marginal
jockthedog

Two things - you won't have a huge trouble fitting the ERs, it's really just the wee flanges welded onto them for 'easy' fitting (on a Left Hand car) that make it difficult and need a bit of work.

And lose the fogs, I'd say. Why fit bigger better SMICs and then put a big blob of lamp in front of them?

The only 'residue' I found in mine were bits of packing polystyrene, which shook out easy enough.

ok that was three things
guymcc

Cheers for the input jockthedog.  
guymcc

Well pretty much narrowed it down to either ER or Wagners. Not going fmic as I really don't fancy the modding of the front bumper.

A bit of modding to the ER is required pipe sizes etc, so still may be a close call as the ERs do come in cheaper. May mod the oem shrouds + plastic mod to keep cost down too.

Working on getting accurate cost sorted
Decisions decisions!
Mark

guymcc wrote:
May mod the oem shrouds + plastic mod to keep cost down too.


I can supply the coolers without the carbon shrouds and grills if you really want. Coolers, hoses and clamps so a direct fit.
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