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DavidE

B6 S4 or 2003 RS6?

Hi

I'm new to Audi's and am looking currently at B6 S4's however RS6's are with in budget.
Do you guys have any advice?
I'm aware of chain rattle, but what other issues should I look for etc.

Thanks in advance

David
Noggymike

Re: B6 S4 or 2003 RS6?

DavidE wrote:
Hi

I'm new to Audi's and am looking currently at B6 S4's however RS6's are with in budget.
Do you guys have any advice?
I'm aware of chain rattle, but what other issues should I look for etc.

Thanks in advance

David


2003 RS6

Gearbox
DRC
are the bigees.
jasongtr

rs6 every time
C J

Rs6 all day long.
Ian_C

Head:  S4
Heart:  RS6
gizmo

I'd love an RS6 to replace my B5 S4 but I'm terrified of the potential bills.

If I was to look at one it would need the following done, gearbox, DRC to coilovers (as mentioned), cambelt up to date, maybe recent brakes discs/pads, maybe turbos, remap would be the icing on the cake. I'm assuming the turbos are fairly unstressed.

There seems to be a few that tick the big ones.  There's been a couple of nice Misano red avants on ebay/autotrader.  The Mexico blue one looks like a lot of car for the money, unsure of the history on this one though.
DavidE

That's what I thought, the ones floating about at the minute seem to have had the required upgrades etc plus the gearbox sorted.

A neighbour has an RS6 and while I love the idea of it, my head says that the S4 will be more than enough. The RS6 is essentially a super car isn't it and therefore has super car costs attached

Have you had any issues with S4?
jasongtr

RS6 may have supercar pace (albeit old supercar pace) but its no different to any other old audi estate, lardy and wont handle like one - still an epic car though
C J

The best was to sort this is go and have a good drive in one of each. That'll defo make your mind up.
Everyone slates rs6 c5's for their drc and their box. So what.
B6 s4. Rattley timing chain, 3k job. Dual mass and clutch £1.5k plus. Again, they are 'when' jobs not if like the rs6 problems.
But the biggie for me is the lack of tuneablity of the s4 and they are the same on fuel!
Parptoot

C J wrote:
The best was to sort this is go and have a good drive in one of each. That'll defo make your mind up.
Everyone slates rs6 c5's for their drc and their box. So what.
B6 s4. Rattley timing chain, 3k job. Dual mass and clutch £1.5k plus. Again, they are 'when' jobs not if like the rs6 problems.
But the biggie for me is the lack of tuneablity of the s4 and they are the same on fuel!


Tada! What he said.
I've been on the sharp end of the cam chain issue, and the clutch and flywheel AND the aux rads etc.... That was all about £7k in total, the cars value at the time. Fixed it and got shot.

If I were handed two sets of keys and told to pick one? RS6, no question.
DavidE

I will have to see if my neighbour will take me out in his, it's not standard though he's running 650 at the wheels which would distort my view slightly I guess

So if the RS6 has had the box and suspension done its generally bulletproof then?
Searider

DavidE wrote:
I will have to see if my neighbour will take me out in his, it's not standard though he's running 650 at the wheels which would distort my view slightly I guess

So if the RS6 has had the box and suspension done its generally bulletproof then?


650 at the wheels is a LOT for an RS6.  If it's true!
C J

650 at the wheels!
What a joker!!!

Those are the best pub figures I've ever heard! Made me lol!!
jasongtr

650 at the spare wheel most likely
gizmo

C J wrote:
The best was to sort this is go and have a good drive in one of each. That'll defo make your mind up.
Everyone slates rs6 c5's for their drc and their box. So what.
B6 s4. Rattley timing chain, 3k job. Dual mass and clutch £1.5k plus. Again, they are 'when' jobs not if like the rs6 problems.
But the biggie for me is the lack of tuneablity of the s4 and they are the same on fuel!


This is good advice I think.  
DavidE

C J wrote:
650 at the wheels!
What a joker!!!

Those are the best pub figures I've ever heard! Made me lol!!


So this isn't possible then?
Human Joist

I have just had the same dilemma mate. I ended up buying the rs6 yesterday and glad I did. It's standard apart from the pss9 coilovers change. Full history and service to gearbox etc. Very good providence and a forum car. Will be off to mrc on the next few weeks for an engine and gearbox map. I looked at the s4 but only briefly.
DavidE

Human Joist wrote:
I have just had the same dilemma mate. I ended up buying the rs6 yesterday and glad I did. It's standard apart from the pss9 coilovers change. Full history and service to gearbox etc. Very good providence and a forum car. Will be off to mrc on the next few weeks for an engine and gearbox map. I looked at the s4 but only briefly.


How much did you pay if you don't mind me asking, I was looking at around the 10k and under mark
Human Joist

From what I saw getting the right example is worth paying for. As a non serviced correctly one is fraught with potential nasty bills. Mine now has 2 previous owners. Both well off to have kept the vehicle well looked after while they had it. It went to unit 20 just under 2 years ago by the multi million owner who spent £8500 on pss9 brakes and lots of other stuff before driving it to Prague and then selling it. Gearbox service is a must and check the big things like newish brakes as rear discs are around £250 each and fronts are nearer £300 each. Replacement of the drc as they will fail and cost a lot. And a well serviced gearbox or a rebuilt on. Mine had the former. I paid £12k amd I think I got a good deal and worth every penny as they will no doubt climb in price for a good one. If your local to me your welcome to come and see what it's like to help make your mind up.

I plan to maintain myself like all other cars
DavidE

Human Joist wrote:
From what I saw getting the right example is worth paying for. As a non serviced correctly one is fraught with potential nasty bills. Mine now has 2 previous owners. Both well off to have kept the vehicle well looked after while they had it. It went to unit 20 just under 2 years ago by the multi million owner who spent £8500 on pss9 brakes and lots of other stuff before driving it to Prague and then selling it. Gearbox service is a must and check the big things like newish brakes as rear discs are around £250 each and fronts are nearer £300 each. Replacement of the drc as they will fail and cost a lot. And a well serviced gearbox or a rebuilt on. Mine had the former. I paid £12k amd I think I got a good deal and worth every penny as they will no doubt climb in price for a good one. If your local to me your welcome to come and see what it's like to help make your mind up.

I plan to maintain myself like all other cars


I'm in the north west near Preston, where would you be?
Human Joist

Ahh. Midlands south of Birmingham near Stratford. Might be worth checking in on rs246 as most owners seem on there. Might be a local one to you
DavidE

Human Joist wrote:
Ahh. Midlands south of Birmingham near Stratford. Might be worth checking in on rs246 as most owners seem on there. Might be a local one to you


Ah ok I have relatives in Alcester and a good mate lives in Warwick.

I think I will pop a few doors down and ask my neighbour about his, and if he can take me for a spin.

Head is definitely saying best plan is the S4 but my heart says the RS6, plus I have to make sure the war office doesn't kick off
Human Joist

Am about 10 miles from alcester in Redditch.
Noggymike

I'm around the same area as well
DavidE

Which one Mike?
Human Joist

He is near me
JimGreen

About time you got some pictures up.......LOL
SBM

Ian_C wrote:
Head:  S4
Heart:  RS6


totally agree - I was looking at exactly the same choice when I got my S4 - there's a reason why the RS6 is half the price of an RS4!
Running costs/maintenance - just couldn't justify it..
DavidE

JimGreen wrote:
About time you got some pictures up.......LOL


Well the B7 S4 arrives on Saturday....

Here's a taster

cobraBLACK

Good choice.

What's the spec, mileage, work done, etc?
DavidE

cobraBLACK wrote:
Good choice.

What's the spec, mileage, work done, etc?


Thanks

It's got 130k on the clock, usual S4 bits but it's had fsh, with yearly services not long life, recent clutch and flywheel, revo stage 2 map, full power flow stainless exhaust, bc BR type coilovers, uprated discs and pads, and a free flow panel filter.
Alround it seems a great car, just itching to get in it now.
cobraBLACK

What about the timing system and cylinders?
RS4Jules

Wrong choice but looks well,

The rs6 has serious presence the s4 just looks like any other  old sline audi.

They can sound well but as mentioned cant be tuned at all unless going silly
money and supercharging it.

Having said that, enjoy it mate    
DavidE

cobraBLACK wrote:
What about the timing system and cylinders?


All ok, timing chains had been serviced at 100k and cylinders were in decent condition according to the owner.
As mentioned at start of topic my neighbour has an RS6 and he's given it the once over to make sure it's solid and reliable.

I didn't really want something to tune so I'm happy it's had a few things done already.

I liked the fact the S4 was understated and a bit of a Q car.

Maybe I will go to RS6 next....
Trig

RS4Jules wrote:
Wrong choice

The rs6 has serious presence the s4 just looks like any other  old sline audi.



Having said that, enjoy it mate    


Ditto................
Trig

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DavidE

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SBM

DavidE wrote:
cobraBLACK wrote:
What about the timing system and cylinders?


All ok, timing chains had been serviced at 100k and cylinders were in decent condition according to the owner.
As mentioned at start of topic my neighbour has an RS6 and he's given it the once over to make sure it's solid and reliable.

I didn't really want something to tune so I'm happy it's had a few things done already.

I liked the fact the S4 was understated and a bit of a Q car.

Maybe I will go to RS6 next....


Nice one DavidE That is a lovely looking S4 Avant  
The wheels are very nice indeed really suit it. I, like you, prefer the understated look. I prefer that it does not "attract unwanted attention". It takes nothing away from the performance which is more than enough for me  

Enjoy  
DavidE

Also bearing in mind I am moving from a Ft Panda 100HP to the S4 I'm not sure I need the RS4/6 just yet...


Thanks for the welcome.
SBM

I also run an Audi A2 1.4 TDi, use this just for some of my commutes which keeps the S4 mileage/fuel costs down and I tend to not use the S4 when weather is really bad. She's stays tucked up in the garage.
What this does mean is after a few days in the A2 it renews the S4 experience! Mine is pretty much factory standard, in excellent condition and 12 years old and just turned 51K miles
S4Max

Nice looking S4 DavidE, I'm really liking the look of the front end. Any chance of some more pics pls.
Thanks
DavidE

S4Max wrote:
Nice looking S4 DavidE, I'm really liking the look of the front end. Any chance of some more pics pls.
Thanks






There you go Max
Challice

Tidy looking S4
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