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leon1

Best company for gearbox recon.

As title any recommendations on a company for gearbox rebuild.
C J

Jockthedog on here has turned his hand to these. Give him a shout.
jockthedog

I can't really offer anything as I've only done one of these (assuming your talking a ZF5 auto box) and it's not been put back in a car yet.
Unless you want to be a guinea pig for it?

First Q is what is the problem you are having?
Could be that you just need the valve body rebuilt, which I can't do.
That can come out of the box while it's still in the car.

Check the yelllow pages/interweb where you live for a ZF specialist, who will be able to do the VB, for maybe 500 quid? That's what I paid a place in Glasgow.
leon1

It's basically slipping, then when it does grab it comes with an almighty thud ahah. It also whines in 1st gear. Computer showing wrong input speed.

I've had the oil and filter change, made no difference.
jockthedog

very possible that will be fixed with a VB rebuild, although the whine also suggests a bearing somewhere.
Once these things start thudding into gears, that starts to damage the clutch packs and cylinders in the box.
leon1

Huuum. Think it needs fully rebuilt to be honest. What would be a rough estimate for a rebuild?
Professor Peach

Mackies in Glasgow are a ZF specialist and have very good reputation. I used Midland Automatic Transmissions in Kettering for my box service and oil leak which were also very good.

I guess Glasgow is nearer for you though!  
IanH755

If you're dropping the engine/GB yourself or at a local garage then I'd send the box to either Chester Autos (1500) or talk to ZF direct at their Nottingham Workshop and see what they charge (no idea).

If you want everything doing in one go then I'd consider Unit20 near down near Ellesmere Port as they also use Chester Auto's but can do the engine drop and any extra works at the same time (3500 minimum).
Weecalum

If Jockthedog can do it, I can recommend his services. He refurbished my B5 RS4 box and I've had no problems after nearly two years. He also kept me well up to date on progress and his findings when refurbing it.
Graham

No offence to jockthedog, but as great as his personal project and forum write up is, surely we cannot seriously recommend a non-trading individual who has done part of the job once only as the solution to this enquiry!?

I am glad there are some more appropriate responses.
HPsauce

As you are in Cumbria I would definitely start with Mackies in Glasgow. Highly regarded in the A8/S8 community.
Weecalum

My response is entirely appropriate. My response said IF he can do it. The OP has the right to listen to all recommendations and weigh up what route he wishes to go down. The OP can consider cost of different parties, risk associated to those parties, cost/benefit compared to value of his current car etc etc.. and then choose himself
leon1

The swap will be done by a local garage also friend of the family. I'm open to all options. I'll give the guys from Glasgow a ring.

Thanks guys
HPsauce

Here: http://www.mackie-transmission.com/

Quote:
Mackie Automatic & Manual Transmissions

The UKs Leading Remanufacturer of Automotive, Industrial and Marine Transmissions since 1977
tanoga

http://www.automaticgearbox.biz/
jockthedog

FYI Mackies cannot do a final test on the box - they don't see enough quattro boxes to make it worth their while.
The VB is no probs tho.

It'd be good to know where in the UK they CAN do a final test on the box (by which I mean filling it and spinning it up to max speed, etc etc).

Mackies could rebuild the box for you too, just not do a final-test. No idea what they'd charge.

I appreciate the rec. Calum, but I'd already taken myself out of the picture for this.

Almost...


Leon, if you are quoted 1000's for a rebuild then it may well be worth your while trying the box I've just done. I'm not looking to make any money off it.

It's cost me around 1300 to buy and rebuild it. Add on the price of the oils to put in it, plus fitting at your garage and a courier to get it there, you'd still be looking at a lot less than the 3k+ cost I've heard just for a rebuilt box without filling or fitting it.
If it turns out to be useless, I'll take it right back.
You'd be out-of-pocket for the oils (which should be reusable) and the fitting, of course.

Just a thought and no rush or pressure
bigee

Very decent offer that.
IanH755

Jock - ZF have their UK workshop in Nottingham, surely they would be able to the final test.
jockthedog

Hopefully, Ian.
That's possibly closer to Cumbria too. Certainly worth a phone call .
C J

IanH755 wrote:
Jock - ZF have their UK workshop in Nottingham, surely they would be able to the final test.


They do. It's not even 5 minutes away from where I live. But dunno if there's an off the road walk in option for folk, looks a very special set up though!
AutomaticTransmission

Audi RS6 Rebuild

We do the Audi RS6 ZF5HP24 gearbox recondition. We probably go through one a month including my own personal one.

Price for a full rebuild including a 12 month warranty is 2500+VAT
Turnaround time is usually around a week to a week and a half.

This includes:
Reconditioned gearbox and torque converter
Air-con de-gas and re-gas
New oil and filter
Excellent customer service.


We are situated on Emmanuel Street, PR1 7LN, just on the corner of Blackpool Road, in Preston many people drive past our workshop everyday without realising that they have just passed one of the largest vehicle repair workshops in the North West.

With 10 ramps, an 11,000 square foot workshop and a combined experience of over 100 years, we are larger and better equipped than most main dealerships and we are certainly much more competitive on price.

Our contact number is either 01772 259068/258117

Opening times are
Mon-Fri: 8am-5:30pm
Saturday: 8am-12pm
jockthedog

Welcome to the forum matey, very glad to have a pro on board.
AutomaticTransmission

Thank you very much, pleasure to be here.

Next one we have in, I'll upload a VERY pic heavy teardown of the box and I'll go through the valve body as well. Who knows, we may even be showing you Leon's gearbox!
Graham

AutomaticTransmission wrote:
Thank you very much, pleasure to be here.

Next one we have in, I'll upload a VERY pic heavy teardown of the box and I'll go through the valve body as well. Who knows, we may even be showing you Leon's gearbox!


Welcome also. That would be a great contribution  
leon1

Thanks for all the reply guys really helpful. I'm going to contact all the company's put forward tomorrow morning

Also jock you have pm
Jay_g

Re: Audi RS6 Rebuild

AutomaticTransmission wrote:
We do the Audi RS6 ZF5HP24 gearbox recondition. We probably go through one a month including my own personal one.

Price for a full rebuild including a 12 month warranty is 2500+VAT
Turnaround time is usually around a week to a week and a half.

This includes:
Reconditioned gearbox and torque converter
Air-con de-gas and re-gas
New oil and filter
Excellent customer service.


We are situated on Emmanuel Street, PR1 7LN, just on the corner of Blackpool Road, in Preston many people drive past our workshop everyday without realising that they have just passed one of the largest vehicle repair workshops in the North West.

With 10 ramps, an 11,000 square foot workshop and a combined experience of over 100 years, we are larger and better equipped than most main dealerships and we are certainly much more competitive on price.

Our contact number is either 01772 259068/258117

Opening times are
Mon-Fri: 8am-5:30pm
Saturday: 8am-12pm


Hello mate

Is that including fitting? If so that's a cracking price.

Plus, how will they stand up against remapping? We know the standard box can take a map, but I've seen rebuilt/recon boxes start to slip once remapped, but fine standard. How will the warranty work with mapped cars?

Do you offer any "upgrade works", to both the box and valve body?

Sorry for the questions, it just helps to get as much information as possible. We all know these gearboxes are not great at the best of times!

Thanks for coming over to offer your services too!
AutomaticTransmission

Re: Audi RS6 Rebuild

Jay_g wrote:
AutomaticTransmission wrote:
We do the Audi RS6 ZF5HP24 gearbox recondition. We probably go through one a month including my own personal one.

Price for a full rebuild including a 12 month warranty is 2500+VAT
Turnaround time is usually around a week to a week and a half.

This includes:
Reconditioned gearbox and torque converter
Air-con de-gas and re-gas
New oil and filter
Excellent customer service.


We are situated on Emmanuel Street, PR1 7LN, just on the corner of Blackpool Road, in Preston many people drive past our workshop everyday without realising that they have just passed one of the largest vehicle repair workshops in the North West.

With 10 ramps, an 11,000 square foot workshop and a combined experience of over 100 years, we are larger and better equipped than most main dealerships and we are certainly much more competitive on price.

Our contact number is either 01772 259068/258117

Opening times are
Mon-Fri: 8am-5:30pm
Saturday: 8am-12pm


Hello mate

Is that including fitting? If so that's a cracking price.

Plus, how will they stand up against remapping? We know the standard box can take a map, but I've seen rebuilt/recon boxes start to slip once remapped, but fine standard. How will the warranty work with mapped cars?

Do you offer any "upgrade works", to both the box and valve body?

Sorry for the questions, it just helps to get as much information as possible. We all know these gearboxes are not great at the best of times!

Thanks for coming over to offer your services too!


Yes that includes fitting. We've yet to have a remapped one come back. In the unlikely event there is a failure, we maintain our original 12 month/12,000 mile warranty for all our boxes. However if failure is caused by modifications/tuning we would ask the customer to contribute an amount to the labour costs, and we will pay the parts.
C J

This is an awesome price!!!

What would be the cost of this job if the gearbox came to you on a pallet via courier please?!
AutomaticTransmission

C J wrote:
This is an awesome price!!!

What would be the cost of this job if the gearbox came to you on a pallet via courier please?!


To be honest, we don't really like doing loose units. Main reason is that we don't get to have a look at the peripherals of the gearbox (i.e cooler) and we aren't in control of the refitting which means whomever puts it back in is responsible if they don't put enough oil in, the right oil, or, and we've seen this before, they bolt the torque converter to the engine as opposed to fitting it in the gearbox to line up with the oil pump, and the pump then smashes and causes the car not to drive.

So unfortunately, we would only take the job on if we had the full car.
AutomaticTransmission

C J wrote:
This is an awesome price!!!

What would be the cost of this job if the gearbox came to you on a pallet via courier please?!


If push comes to shove, we can do a loose unit box, however the warranty is on condition that a new cooler is put on, and the box is fitted by a reputable garage. If the gearbox fails due to an error during fitting, it leaves is in a bit of a sticky situation as we can't be held liable for the failure  

Price for the gearbox is 1,750+VAT

James
HPsauce

Re: Audi RS6 Rebuild

AutomaticTransmission wrote:
We do the Audi RS6 ZF5HP24 gearbox recondition.
Can you do the same for a D2 S8 ZF5HP24A, if so what is the price assuming the vehicle is brought to you?
AutomaticTransmission

Re: Audi RS6 Rebuild

HPsauce wrote:
AutomaticTransmission wrote:
We do the Audi RS6 ZF5HP24 gearbox recondition.
Can you do the same for a D2 S8 ZF5HP24A, if so what is the price assuming the vehicle is brought to you?


Yes, they are the same gearbox, so the same price of 2,500+VAT.
C J

AutomaticTransmission wrote:
C J wrote:
This is an awesome price!!!

What would be the cost of this job if the gearbox came to you on a pallet via courier please?!


If push comes to shove, we can do a loose unit box, however the warranty is on condition that a new cooler is put on, and the box is fitted by a reputable garage. If the gearbox fails due to an error during fitting, it leaves is in a bit of a sticky situation as we can't be held liable for the failure

Price for the gearbox is 1,750+VAT

James


Hi. Thanks for that.

Yeah that goes without saying that you can't warrant an incorrect fitted box, I hope no one would expect that! But that is the same for anything, like a brake disc manufacturer can't be held responsible for a faulty disc that was fitted wrong for example.

If your warranty stipulates a new oil cooler I think that's a good thing as there would be no contaminates to pass into the new box.

P.s. You had one in yet to do the pic heavy rebuild thread?! Would be really interesting!  
AutomaticTransmission

C J wrote:
AutomaticTransmission wrote:
C J wrote:
This is an awesome price!!!

What would be the cost of this job if the gearbox came to you on a pallet via courier please?!


If push comes to shove, we can do a loose unit box, however the warranty is on condition that a new cooler is put on, and the box is fitted by a reputable garage. If the gearbox fails due to an error during fitting, it leaves is in a bit of a sticky situation as we can't be held liable for the failure

Price for the gearbox is 1,750+VAT

James


Hi. Thanks for that.

Yeah that goes without saying that you can't warrant an incorrect fitted box, I hope no one would expect that! But that is the same for anything, like a brake disc manufacturer can't be held responsible for a faulty disc that was fitted wrong for example.

If your warranty stipulates a new oil cooler I think that's a good thing as there would be no contaminates to pass into the new box.

P.s. You had one in yet to do the pic heavy rebuild thread?! Would be really interesting!


As counter-intuitive as it seems, yes we do get some customers who expect us to warrant a loose unit or a second hand box that they provided themselves!

You're spot on with the reason for the cooler, there is no point throwing all that time and money at a gearbox, to have the same shit float back in from the old cooler.

And actually, we've not had one in recently to do the pictures. As soon as one comes in we'll get some pictures up!
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