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loomx

New F1 Engines in 2013

Apparently the F1 teams are about the agree the new engine format from 2013 onward.

Looks like a 1.5 litre 4 clyinder turbo is the new engine, which should be interesting
derdle

Been here before haven't we - early 1990s? Almost like an episode of "Ashed to Ashes"
loomx

Hopefully BMW can come back with their 1500bhp engine
DavidT

Yes, it will happen I think. 1.5 litre, 4 cylinder direct injection petrol with twin turbochargers and KERS!
loomx

I quite like the sound of it anything that helps get more power out of small engines can only be a good thing
DavidT

There is no future in high specific output n/a petrols for road use, so even F1 is moving on.
derdle

DavidT wrote:
There is no future in high specific output n/a petrols for road use, so even F1 is moving on.


Did you tell this to Audi before they made the B7 RS4 using a thumping great lump?

Wonder whether there will be any development room for oil burners following the successes in Le Mans?
StumpyRS4

They do have the 6.0 V12 DERV don't forget.  Only in the R8 and Q7 though I believe?  

Would imagine the DERV engines will become more potent versions of the 3.0 and 4.0 variants and appear in more cars.  These are pretty good units for general day to day driving and plenty torquey enough...
loomx

derdle wrote:
DavidT wrote:
There is no future in high specific output n/a petrols for road use, so even F1 is moving on.


Did you tell this to Audi before they made the B7 RS4 using a thumping great lump?

Wonder whether there will be any development room for oil burners following the successes in Le Mans?


TBF they are, they have said that there is no more V10s after the R8 and the S4 is no longer a V8.
ollys

Re: New F1 Engines in 2013

loomx wrote:
Apparently the F1 teams are about the agree the new engine format from 2013 onward.

Looks like a 1.5 litre 4 clyinder turbo is the new engine, which should be interesting


Great sounds interesting:  If only we could go back to in car adjustable boost and drivers who got too trigger happy running out of fuel  - like Keke Rosberg, Nigel Mansell and Senna in the 1984 -5 seasons- if I'm not wrong!
loomx

They should just say, need to be 1.5 litres no power limitations and see what happens it would be awesome!
DavidT

Most car manufacturers are moving to smaller turbo engines that give more power and torque than the bigger n/a engines they replaced, but with roughly 25% better emissions and 20% better economy.

Diesel rules have not worked for the Le-Mans series because only serious manufacturers can afford to develop them. It would have been dropped early on had Peugeot not developed one!!!

I'm not sure how power will be limited in F1. Towards the end of the turbo era they had a reliable 1000 bhp and the 4 cylinder engines could be 1500 bhp in 'grenade' qualifying tune. The way technology has moved on, electronics and materials especially, they could produce a reliable 1500 bhp at 25k rpm I suspect, but rpm & boost limits are the obvious ways to keep them to around 800 bhp.

Electronic (dynamo/motor) KERS is good for 100 bhp for 10 seconds a lap too!

Times are changing
derdle

Strange how they have all dropped KERS this season though, maybe the extra 35Kg weight couldn't really be accomodated alongside the full fuel load?
DavidT

derdle wrote:
Strange how they have all dropped KERS this season though, maybe the extra 35Kg weight couldn't really be accomodated alongside the full fuel load?


They dropped it on cost grounds as most teams had a long way to go to make it work. That was when they were wondering how many cars would make the 2010 grid
quattrokid

F1 diesel engines....

(hides behind the sofa)....
loomx

You better hide!
quattrokid

still hiding  lol
5potmad

used to love watching who would use 2.3bar of boost for to long....then ka-booom.  



5pot
loomx

Should be interesting, could really kick off variable compression ratio engines which would be awesome. High compression off boost, aiding spool up and mega low compression near the redline for mega boost.
derdle

Maybe further development of twin port or sequential turbo sytems to decrease lag?

But then again..what about the development cost cap?
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