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pcfnet

Selling the B5 RS4, think of a B4 RS2... am I mad ? :)

just sold my lovely B5 RS4, now thinking something to replace the B5.... consider a lot of other brand, from 996, 964 turbo, Lancia Delta Integrale..etc.. I know they are not similar in price or character, but I just couldnt find anything that I feel "hey, lets get this one..."

then I look back to the RS family, RS2 is always my dream machine, but its so rare that I couldnt have a chance to own one.  Given the fact that I have owned a B5 RS4 before, should I invest to this interesting classic RS2?  How difficult it is to maintain? given the fact that it is almost 20yrs old, should I expect to pour some serious money to overhaul the car (engine/chassis)?
ddidds

i like all the mentioned cars, especially the rs2, but honestly i don't think you can replace the rs4 with anything for that money...this is the truth

rs2's are rare and even rarer in good condition. it is a car that i would leave as it is , wouldn't tune or modify anything on it.
i was told they are very good and tank-reliable !

so, the conclusion would be to buy another rs4 in better condition or a colour you like more than the imola(imola is my favourite)
dest

The engine and drivetrain are bullet proof, aslong as its been looked after and serviced correctly it will go on for ever.
Your biggest problem could be if some of the bodywork or parts need sorting as some bits are either NLA or very rare/expensive these days
Searider

PM Trevithick.

He's had both.
dest

I've had S2 and S4, they are very different!
The S2 is more crash bang wallop, feels a lot more dated and raw. But, they are still very nice though.
If I had another B4 it would have to be an RS2
XRISTOS.GREECE

nice one in my country
http://www.car.gr/classifieds/cars/view/1896651/
http://www.car.gr/classifieds/cars/view/831055/
http://www.car.gr/classifieds/cars/view/700054/
chris
i prefer an rs4 b5 with low miles with only sportec or mtm wheels
and reprograming ecu ,and biger brakes
missano  red
Ross

You might be interested in my experience.  I was torn between RS2 vs RS4.  I decided I wanted to keep to the B4 family.  So I found an RS2 from a forum member - it needed some TLC, including a head rebuild but I got a very good deal that allowed me £3-4k to spend on it.

My plan initially was to go 'OEM+'; i.e. a few tweaks but mostly stock.  It already had a 3" scorpion system, Koni shocks, K&N cone filter and Nuspeed RARB.  It also had a set of 'Dialynx performance cams', and a hybrid turbo with an MRC map to 370bhp.

It was a 2nd car but I ended up putting winters on it and running it as my primary car for about 2 months after a few issues with my Golf TDi.

This summer gone I pulled the engine - the cams turned out to be S2, I couldn't get the RS2 exhaust cam so stuck with them.  Stock air box went back in, the engine was rebuilt with the addition of forged rods a balanced bottom end; bore wear was still within tolerance but i decided that as it was at 160k it was worth giving it another 200k of life.  I also had a light port / polish and IM port match while the head was off, fitted a Wagner EM as the original was starting to crack, and decided to get a new hybrid turbo that is much closer to OEM behaviour and a direct replacement for stock - easy to revert if required.

The result is a cracking car to drive, lovely and amooth round town, pretty quiet on a motorway cruise, fuel is not an issue as I don't drive it many miles but I see 18MPG round town and 25-30mpg on a run depending on how well behaved I am.  And when required it pulls strongly from 3,000rpm with progressive power, yes a bit laggy compared to the B5 V6 with full boost at 3800rpm but it pulls like a train!
VasP

RS2 is not hard to maintain but the advise i would give is once you get one, take it to someone who knows about the car, and do everything it needs on one go. Then you'll appreciate how long it lasts without garage appointments and niggles...
BennyBoo

I'm starting to have worrying feelins to selling the B5 S4 for a sorted S2..!

Just a few views on youtube has got me thinking maybe I want a 'funner' car..

What to do.. 3b or ABY..?

What's the most i'll miss out on if I swap..?

And i've just read this...

adamss24 wrote:
Stick a 2.5 tdi bottom end with forged rods, k26 turbo, tial wastegate, homefry and stronger clutch and you'll go past 600 Bhp ! Much more fun than a s4/rs4 and much more reliable !
MathiasS

I think ABY is the best choice to have a good base
RoGEK

i've had one.. ( s2 avant that is )

once you have sorted everything it's like bulletproof with some same niggles as the b5 s4  / rs4 has..

ignition coils go ( and are expensive !!! almost 200 euro's ) and boostleaks also occur..
worst thing is to look out for is rotten fuel lines under the car ( common problem )

and after that.... it's still an old car...

a b5 is much fresher interiour and exteriour, parts are harder to get, even common b4 things like doorseals etc are hard or not to get....

out of that... an s2 avant or rs2 is really rare !! ( only 1600 s2 avants and 2900 rs2's made )
pcfnet

Thanks for all your information.  Due to the complexity of importing car with less than 20yrs old, I'm still debating with myself whether I should go ahead with this or not.  I still believe rs2 would be more interesting to me compare to b5, but I may choose other rare car if I can skip the complicated import procedure.
VasP

if you havent been in one, ask someone localy to take you for a drive.

we are you located?
MathiasS

I would NEVER ever concider going from an RS4 to an RS2

Way too old. An RS4 isn't even an up to date car anymore going in his 12th year since production so going back even more hmmm ...
Challice

I was looking at these as well as the S4's, they are nuts and i think are more of a sleeper as they look old and there huge but with 350 odd bhp with mods etc are rapid, some of the videos on youtube are great, there was a white one with white wheels with i think 600ish bhp an that was serioulsy fast, 4 wheels spinning on the launch for quite some time  

But like mention already parts etc might start to be hard to come by.
pcfnet

cant agree more than this.  Its a REAL sleeper, old school but with high power even compare to modern "FAST car".  It may not be quick in corner (depends on what you compare with), specially to those modern car, but its simply a legend which establish the benchmark of fastest station wagon in the world (RS2).

Challice wrote:
I was looking at these as well as the S4's, they are nuts and i think are more of a sleeper as they look old and there huge but with 350 odd bhp with mods etc are rapid, some of the videos on youtube are great, there was a white one with white wheels with i think 600ish bhp an that was serioulsy fast, 4 wheels spinning on the launch for quite some time  

But like mention already parts etc might start to be hard to come by.
Challice

pcfnet wrote:
cant agree more than this. †Its a REAL sleeper, old school but with high power even compare to modern "FAST car". †It may not be quick in corner (depends on what you compare with), specially to those modern car, but its simply a legend which establish the benchmark of fastest station wagon in the world (RS2).

Challice wrote:
I was looking at these as well as the S4's, they are nuts and i think are more of a sleeper as they look old and there huge but with 350 odd bhp with mods etc are rapid, some of the videos on youtube are great, there was a white one with white wheels with i think 600ish bhp an that was serioulsy fast, 4 wheels spinning on the launch for quite some time  

But like mention already parts etc might start to be hard to come by.


So true they are awsome  
MathiasS

In my mind a well sorted RS4 B5 is more of a legend but that's just me  
pcfnet wrote:
cant agree more than this. †Its a REAL sleeper, old school but with high power even compare to modern "FAST car". †It may not be quick in corner (depends on what you compare with), specially to those modern car, but its simply a legend which establish the benchmark of fastest station wagon in the world (RS2).

Challice wrote:
I was looking at these as well as the S4's, they are nuts and i think are more of a sleeper as they look old and there huge but with 350 odd bhp with mods etc are rapid, some of the videos on youtube are great, there was a white one with white wheels with i think 600ish bhp an that was serioulsy fast, 4 wheels spinning on the launch for quite some time  

But like mention already parts etc might start to be hard to come by.
dest

Its impossible to say one is better than the other.
A well sorted B5 is just as good as a well sorted S2.
They are both awesome but in slightly different ways
Challice

What he said.

RS2 as standard is legendry

RS4 as standard is legendry

Both awsome cars and can both be made to be as fast as you like, think its very hard to find a clean example of an RS2 were as there are plenty of very clean RS4's

For rareness and a car thats more of a sleeper due to the fact they have mainly been forgotten about due the the amount RS4s' around then the RS2 is worth it, but its down to personal preferance.

Even if you bought one and a year down the line wanted a RS4 back i doubt that you will lose money as the RS2's still fetch good money if its a all round prime example...
Challice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIUHhIZdYu0&feature=related

This animal †
MathiasS

Challice wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIUHhIZdYu0&feature=related

This animal †


Indeed EPIC monster  
trevithick

They are both great cars, I can only compare standard cars as both of mine were standard. The RS2 would run rings around the RS4 in the tight stuff and the brakes are far superior but as a long distance cruiser the RS4 wins hands down and the RS4 is a lot easier to go fast in, as Dest said the RS2 / S2 is all bang crash wallop but thats part of the charm.
Running costs are about the same but parts are getting harder to find for the RS2 (Porsche bits are easy and cheaper though), one of the last hurrahs for the RS2 was a day trip to Goodwood for a track day, 3 hard sessions and a 700 mile round trip but it didn't miss a beat and in fact ran like a dream for ages after. Thats one thing with the RS2 if you don't use it it doesn't like it, the RS4 is lot more forgiving, more modern I suppose.
I tend to maintain cars standard and OEM and I fix niggles quickly and I found this paid dividends with both of them.
To choose between the models, I can't the RS4 is instant nice (but I found a bit numb after a bit) but the RS2 takes time to grow on you and anoying little things still are annoying.
One thing I have found is that its' cheaper to run a Jensen Interceptor.
Good luck with your choice.
rallyejames

I too started with a rs2 then moved on to a 4 and now own a 6 and find myself comparing all the time.they are all fantastic machines but after owning all three models it would have to be a rs4.still as fun as a 2 and 6 but can be used as a daily driver with ease.But.......I don't half miss the sound of a 5 pot!
pcfnet

to me liking RS2 is more on emotional reason, it was my dream when I was a boy in high school.  Fastest wagon but with very subtle look.  Unfortunately finding one in my area is way too difficult, (I guess there are around 5 only..).  I need to either wait or take a lot of work to import one from UK..

At the moment, I choose to wait.  Maybe I would try something else at the end of the day.
bullysteeth

Strange reading this, i have a S2 Avant aby just sorted all its pita problems and now i find myself wanting a S4 avant
RoGEK

bullysteeth wrote:
Strange reading this, i have a S2 Avant aby just sorted all its pita problems and now i find myself wanting a S4 avant


i did the same...

the b5 is def the better car
bullysteeth

bullysteeth wrote:
Strange reading this, i have a S2 Avant aby just sorted all its pita problems and now i find myself wanting a S4 avant

well it was a hint, if anybody wants to go from a 4 to a 2
pcfnet

After months of hunting on market, I finally grab a used porsche 997 C2S 6speed.  It is way too difficult to get an RS2 in HK and the price of the used 997 C2S is so hard to resist.

If I have a chance to get the RS2 ill still do it. It's still part of my incomplete dream.
goodridge

One thing that hasn't been mentioned.... rs2s have been around the same price for several years now unlike the 4s which has dropped considerably
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