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aposegil

Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta

Hello all

starting to get the pissrat ready for 30-130 and need to get new tyres

looking at reviews and priced the Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta seem a very good choice.

opinions?
Juice

i had bad experience with them and wouldnt buy ever again.
AliGod78

Good so far, but only rears at the moment. Bit loose in the wet. But think there summer three anyhow? Will be getting fronts soon...
stefan

Juice wrote:
i had bad experience with them and wouldnt buy ever again.

Why?
StumpyRS4

I loved them on previous Audi's, but think they struggle on heavy/high power cars.  That said Loomx seems to like them...
musty

Had them on my car load of shite
MarkB

Those above who don't rate them as good, did you use them in the summer at all?
musty

MarkB wrote:
Those above who don't rate them as good, did you use them in the summer at all?



No I did not use them in the summer, but have had Avon's, Goodyear F1 used them in both winter and summer compared to the verds in winter the others where much better to add the verds where noisier and just made the car feel hard

The thing is there not that cheaper then F1's iirc £20 a tyre difference and if they are great in the summer would not bank on that compared to all year round as we don't get much Sun
Cornishmoocher

You know my opinion on them.
wjn

I like them in the wet, but they are no high performance tires. Just good all-round tires.
Doug

I bought them for a couple of cars and thought they were good - until you have to drive them close to the limit and they are not good - and yes it was cold - but that is 4 months of the year so far. They were cheap on my 20s, but now have jumped up in price - my next set of 20s will be goodyear F1s after all the good feedback from customers - and they last 15k miles including trackdays.
grizz

Would agree with Doug , The F1's are a much much better tyre ..."You buy cheap you buy twice"
lynchy

Fantastic tyre in the summer but my favourite tyres are the michelins ps 2`s so my next set will be the ps 3`s maybe give them a go ? not cheap but the michelins seem to last longer then any other tyre i`ve had before
aposegil

cool F1's it is

is there anything else I should consider ?
wjn

The new Continental ContiSportContact 5P should be very good.
But they are approx. 10% more expensive than F1's.

The new BRIDGESTONE POTENZA S001 are also very good, price similar to F1's.
aposegil

well toyo T1R are very well priced as well
guymcc

conti 5Ps on mine, very impressed, bit more expensive mind you, although if they are going to be on the car for 10k-15k maybe more then the extra outlay over time seems very little
aposegil

to be honest as long as it last a year driving about 5K I am happy
Bops4

I have 2 Sessantas on the front of mine, only due to F1`s to match the rears being unavailable when required. They are definately not even close to the F1`s for all round performance. DO NOT BUY THEM!!!!
MathiasS

Hahaha great, I just have em on my new wheels !

Btw Just reading experiences on dutch forums and they are talking about the fact that Vredestein recommends using higher pressure on these tyres?

Anyone know this?
davs4

Got them on mine and can honestly say they are fine once bedded in.
Cornishmoocher

MathiasS wrote:
Hahaha great, I just have em on my new wheels !

Btw Just reading experiences on dutch forums and they are talking about the fact that Vredestein recommends using higher pressure on these tyres?

Anyone know this?

50psi in 19/255/35. From vred technical.
I lol'd
Juice

stefan wrote:
Juice wrote:
i had bad experience with them and wouldnt buy ever again.

Why?


i bought them because they were at 112each, so thought not bad, i bought them during the summer time also, i think june IIRC.

had them on the car and did about 400miles in them including a trip to mrc.
the road noise is considerably louder in htem comapred to the F1's but the biggest prob i had was putting the power down, rain or dry i plant the throttle and the esp flashes! wtf?! never had this issue with f1's
so still gave them a chance and the car didnt feel stable at all when driving fast so with that in mind i went back to the place that sold them to me and told them to take them off ......to which they returned my moneys minus 10% and stuck on the f1's which i rate highly.

my 2cents.
aka_dk

im running x4

fine for me
Paintguy

You guys that are rating the Eagle F1's - do you mean the old GS D3's (which I love in the dry), or the newer asymmetric's?

Ta
StumpyRS4

Juice wrote:
stefan wrote:
Juice wrote:
i had bad experience with them and wouldnt buy ever again.

Why?


i bought them because they were at 112each, so thought not bad, i bought them during the summer time also, i think june IIRC.

had them on the car and did about 400miles in them including a trip to mrc.
the road noise is considerably louder in htem comapred to the F1's but the biggest prob i had was putting the power down, rain or dry i plant the throttle and the esp flashes! wtf?! never had this issue with f1's
so still gave them a chance and the car didnt feel stable at all when driving fast so with that in mind i went back to the place that sold them to me and told them to take them off ......to which they returned my moneys minus 10% and stuck on the f1's which i rate highly.

my 2cents.


This is what's so confusing for people.
Juice/Mooch couldn't get on with them, as in their opinions the grip was awful.

Davs4 has them and thinks they're fine (as does Loomx).

I found them absolutely fine myself, but that was on cars up to 250bhp, so difficult to make a fair comparison myself.

Alex - I have only just taken off Toyo T1-Rs and found them an excellent choice.  Dry, wet and track use (in rain and shine).  Fantastic wear rate also.  I bought mine about a year ago and have covered c12k miles in them.  They have at least 3k miles left in them as well...

I've just changed to Falken 452s, and first impressions are they're good.  I haven't given it any welly yet in the twisties/RABs to see how they cope though...
Doug

I think it is how you drive. I thought they were good but they were on a NA rs4 so accelerating was loosing grip - it was only when I pushed the car and at the ring I thought they were very poor - I was expecting to corner harder and not get 4 tyres squealing on every corner.
hiltoa

Interesting thread - I thought the Vreds were good on a 400ish bhp B5 RS4, both in summer and surprisingly so in snow, but then I guess I didn't push them so hard on the public road - and I never tracked the old girl.

I wonder if the earlier versions were better, it's a good 2 years since I ran mine.
Juice

yes im talking about goodyear eagle f1 assyms...

when driving the car hard you want to be able to have total confidence, and the goodys are predicatable, i just didnt like the vreds , maybe this was because i had goodys on the car before and so was use to that tyre.
MathiasS

I just drove te Vreds for 100km to drop off the car and only thing I can say now is if you think these are loud , try the Yokohama AVS  

I also think there was something wrong with one of the Yoko's cause the car felt like it was aligned like CRAP and now it feels alot better!

I haven't tried one corner, car is going to MRC tomorrow so I can give a good revieuw of how the tyres are with high HP when it comes back!
Bops4

As I posted earlier I wouldn`t buy these again, Ive always used F1`s on my motors and in comparison they just dont cut it.
Simon

Got them on mine and I think they are good. Never had issues putting power down. This is on oe 18's though. They are perhaps not quite as good as the usual suspects but for the money they are great imho.
wjn

Like posted, I have no problems with them. Drive only public roads, no track or so. btw. It was not my choice, but from the previous owner. I dislike the pattern of this tire.

Agree with StumpyRS4 & Doug, it's more for what purpose you want to have tires.
Nudenut

Adam (Speedfr33ky) has them on his C6 and I'm running PS2's... drove both cars back to back the other week and must admit the Vreds felt fine.

I was expecting less from them after all I'd read but they didn't disapoint and Adam seems fairly happy with them and he's a pro driver  

That's just "hard" road use though, may be a different story on track.

The PS 2's are very good but costly!!, better than the P Zero's (which I liked), just hope they last  
ollys

aposegil wrote:
cool F1's it is

is there anything else I should consider ?


No - do the F1s - I bought one in 255 35 18 †from Camskill the other day for £135, which is a bargain - the Vreds were £15 dearer at the time too.

Olly
liwi

Got them on the RS6 C6 and the A4 3.0 l tdi B7 (front only and newly fitted). They have been ok for me...through rain and shine.. through snow and blow.

Although I would not be able to say anything about the track driving, as I still haven't done one   but cornering has been ok with them. Good grip on them. I haven't had f1's and could not compare them...
Simon

Mine have also done 13 laps of the ring. They coped fine. Think the best BTG was 8:36 so they can't be that bad.
Rasss-4

I have these on mine, ive seen mixed opinions on these all over various forums and I can honestly say my judgement is positive on these. Was expecting such a shite grip due to what ive read on the forum(s) but I can  say im happy with them!

Will I buy them again....?? Yes if they come in Cheapest!
loomx

I still love them, when it gets cold they definitely loose grip though, when its been -3 or so, but not really icy out, the car has felt pretty loose.
Vreds after having them for a year and a half now, I would say can be pretty sketchy when it gets really cold, but in the warmer months, rain or shine, they are epic. And I still dont think anything touches them in the wet in the warmer months.

Toyo T1-Rs are actually really good IMO, but for me they only lasted about 4k miles before I needed a new set, that was with one track day. I found they would get too hot on the track after a few laps though and it was just lighting them up to the red line in second, no problem. But on the road they are a really good tyre for the money.

The T1-Rs were bloody good in the snow and icy months too.

Yoko Paradas 2s, dont drive in the wet on them lol, unless you like looking out the side window... its like driving on marbles.

Never been impressed with PS2s, for the money they are, they just dont match the other tyres.

I am tempted to give the T1-Rs another go because they are cheap and I had a good experience with them.
Paz

aposegil wrote:
cool F1's it is

is there anything else I should consider ?


A new hairstyle perhaps . . ?  

You won't go far wrong with F1 Assymetric's for the money (F1 GSD3's are great but the Assym's are in another league).

The other thing I'd be wary of is tyre reviews on cars much lighter than yours, I think this plays a major part in how well a tyre fairs in terms of grip and longevity, all imho of course  
RichRS6

I have Vred Sessantas on the R32 and can't really fault them, I can't see much difference between them and the Conti SC2s they replaced, perhaps a bit more road noise, the traction seems the same, nice and predictable, they breakaway at about the same speed as the SC2 did when cornering hard.

May be a different story on a much heavier car though.

I have Goodyear F1 assyms on the 6 and am happy enough with the performance that I wouldn't like to risk putting anything else on there.

Im on my Third set now and they were much better than the Pirelli P Rossos that were on the car when I got it which only lasted half as long as the F1s.
lynchy

ollys wrote:
aposegil wrote:
cool F1's it is

is there anything else I should consider ?


No - do the F1s - I bought one in 255 35 18 †from Camskill the other day for £135, which is a bargain - the Vreds were £15 dearer at the time too.

Olly
Now there is goodyear eagle F1 asymmetric 2  
AliGod78

OK, time to replace my fronts. The old Bridgestones are on their 2nd layer of rubber on the inside toe, and at about 1.7mm - with MOT due April too. Got the Vreds on the back, and Elite Garages suggested they'd be fine on the rears, but with a B6 S4, they'd wear out pretty damn fast on the fronts. Anyone have any thoughts? Go back to Bridgestones, starting with just the fronts? Or try the vreds up front as well? Don't track the car, and don't cane the crap out of it in twisty environments...
supersi

I've got vreds all-round there a good tyre.
aposegil

i went for ps2's talking to everyone
loomx

Sounds stupid, but I wonder if they have changed the compound in the Vreds, I put a set on litterally 3000 miles ago and they are getting close to need replacing again! but the wear is pretty even
MathiasS

I like em alot!
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