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Poll :: What to do?

Replace Car
11%
 11%  [ 1 ]
Replace Engine
22%
 22%  [ 2 ]
Do nothing.
66%
 66%  [ 6 ]
Total Votes : 9


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Noggymike
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

nitroracer wrote:
The dealer came and picked it up on a  flatbed today. Even MORE oil has leaked, so I suppose that is evidence that there was something still left.

I think best case scenario here is a) no damage was done and b) I get an extended engine warranty out of it.

IN that case, I'd come out ahead altogether.


I vote (A)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:17 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Why bother asking us the question if you've already made up your mind what the answer is?
We don't reckon there has been any engine damage.
We've recommended to get Audi to prove there isn't any engine damage ( or if there is to discover it)
I can understand your disappointment in having spent your hard earned on a special car, BUT, and maybe I'm an optimist - my take would be "at least it all leaked out during the night when I wasn't driving it". If it had been pouring out when driving it would be all over the back of the car, the low oil light would have come on Followed by the red low oil pressure light. None if which has happened.

As a parallel to this, my previous S4 dumped most of its coolant whilst parked up at Gatwick. The car didn't overheat. The head gaskets didn't fail and the engine didn't seize up. Leak fixed and car all ok.
"Lucky it happened whilst parked and not whilst I was driving"

I'm out.[/quote]

Well, for starters I am playing devils advocate. It helps me internalize my thoughts and make a final decision. Second, I am interested in all opinions and don't want someone to read just one, for example, and passively agree the situation has been resolved. So I'm throwing in the apple of discord.

At any rate, I was also very interested to see if anyone here had a similar experience, so that I'd know what to expect from the dealer. For example, there is a relatively new black TTRS on ebay that is being sold by the 2nd owner. Audi repurchased it from the FIRST owner because apparently there was brake noise, and it's Audi's policy to repurchase no questions asked, given the circumstances. Behold, a couple thousand miles after the second owner purchased from Audi, there was a recall on the front brakes (the reason the original owner heard noises).

So, something along those lines, I suppose….
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:36 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I think the advise is fairly unanimous really.  It sounds like its unlikely there will be internal damage. But it seems you had pretty much decided what you wanted before posting and are going with that option.  Which of course is fine, as it's your car.  

Personally I would follow Graham's initial advise to the letter.  You want to be assertive with the dealer but not aggressive / rude and ask them how they intend to guarantee no damage to the car long term.  As mentioned I'd be very inclined to contact Audi UK directly too.  

Someone else asked if there was oil on the back of the car, which would indicate it was leaking whilst driven.  Did you check this? What was the outcome?

The oil analysis that Graham mentioned is a very good shout as this will tell how much metal was found in the oil and what it all relates to.  Ask for this early on, before the oil has been drained (whatever was left of it) and discarded.

Finally, what are they planning on doing about your stained driveway...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

nitroracer wrote:
Why bother asking us the question if you've already made up your mind what the answer is?
We don't reckon there has been any engine damage.
We've recommended to get Audi to prove there isn't any engine damage ( or if there is to discover it)
I can understand your disappointment in having spent your hard earned on a special car, BUT, and maybe I'm an optimist - my take would be "at least it all leaked out during the night when I wasn't driving it". If it had been pouring out when driving it would be all over the back of the car, the low oil light would have come on Followed by the red low oil pressure light. None if which has happened.

As a parallel to this, my previous S4 dumped most of its coolant whilst parked up at Gatwick. The car didn't overheat. The head gaskets didn't fail and the engine didn't seize up. Leak fixed and car all ok.
"Lucky it happened whilst parked and not whilst I was driving"

I'm out.


Well, for starters I am playing devils advocate. It helps me internalize my thoughts and make a final decision. Second, I am interested in all opinions and don't want someone to read just one, for example, and passively agree the situation has been resolved. So I'm throwing in the apple of discord.

At any rate, I was also very interested to see if anyone here had a similar experience, so that I'd know what to expect from the dealer. For example, there is a relatively new black TTRS on ebay that is being sold by the 2nd owner. Audi repurchased it from the FIRST owner because apparently there was brake noise, and it's Audi's policy to repurchase no questions asked, given the circumstances. Behold, a couple thousand miles after the second owner purchased from Audi, there was a recall on the front brakes (the reason the original owner heard noises).

So, something along those lines, I suppose….[/quote]

























No.

Brake noise is one thing

A "potential" engine replacement is another.

If somebody has given their new car back due to "brake noise" then I believe they weren't happy with the car full stop and opted "out" under a technicality.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:51 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Very very unlikely you have any engine damage, getting Audi to replace the engine is a bit of a joke, and way OTT, replacing the car is in another league

The fact the oil is all over your drive means there was plenty left in the engine, you ll be surprised how tolerant an engine is to low oil, no oil is a different subject though

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:54 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I also expect a dealership will have a decent endoscope.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Well i would not settle for any less than a new engine had the shoe been on the other foot and you dropped it off with no oil on the dipstick to later suffer engine damage i assure you they would do all they could to wriggle out of replacing your engine on warranty find it laughable people say ah it will be ok but then they have not invested 50k in the car how can anyone begin to know if there has been irreversible damage to the engine i don't think some of the calm replies would feel the same way was it there pride and joy
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

dtwoi wrote:
Well i would not settle for any less than a new engine had the shoe been on the other foot and you dropped it off with no oil on the dipstick to later suffer engine damage i assure you they would do all they could to wriggle out of replacing your engine on warranty find it laughable people say ah it will be ok but then they have not invested 50k in the car how can anyone begin to know if there has been irreversible damage to the engine i don't think some of the calm replies would feel the same way was it there pride and joy



Perhaps some people have a more technical attitude towards the issue in hand?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yawn
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

dtwoi wrote:
Yawn
Genius












Is it your bedtime?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:38 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

[quote="dtwoi:626781"]Well i would not settle for any less than a new engine had the shoe been on the other foot and you dropped it off with no oil on the dipstick to later suffer engine damage i assure you they would do all they could to wriggle out of replacing your engine on warranty find it laughable people say ah it will be ok but then they have not invested 50k in the car how can anyone begin to know if there has been irreversible damage to the engine i don't think some of the calm replies would feel the same way was it there pride and joy[/quote]

This pretty much sums it up for me. Again, my initial post was really to see if anyone has had a similar situation in dealing with Audi. I wasn't really looking for heuristic approach as to whether or not there was engine damage.

It's really not over the top or out of the question to have them take it back. They can easily fix any damages and resell it for a minimal loss. It's not a TOTAL loss for them. As I stated, I would settle for a doubling of the engine warranty.

As far as an oil analysis is concerned, I don't trust the dealer to give me the correct results in the event that its in my favor. I will see what they say and go from there, but it is completely within my legal right to have them take this sucker back (I don't really want a new engine anyway because if they can't be trusted to change the oil, imagine what would happen if they tried to swap an engine!!  :cry:  :cry: )

Imagine if your loved one was on the operating table and the oxygen was cutoff for even 20 seconds… That is really how I feel here.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:41 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

You have made you mind up.



Follow up the matter untill you are satisfied

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Audi are not going to replace an engine for dumping it's oil on your drive, because essentially that's what's happened, that's ridiculous

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

nitroracer wrote:
Why bother asking us the question if you've already made up your mind what the answer is?
We don't reckon there has been any engine damage.
We've recommended to get Audi to prove there isn't any engine damage ( or if there is to discover it)
I can understand your disappointment in having spent your hard earned on a special car, BUT, and maybe I'm an optimist - my take would be "at least it all leaked out during the night when I wasn't driving it". If it had been pouring out when driving it would be all over the back of the car, the low oil light would have come on Followed by the red low oil pressure light. None if which has happened.

As a parallel to this, my previous S4 dumped most of its coolant whilst parked up at Gatwick. The car didn't overheat. The head gaskets didn't fail and the engine didn't seize up. Leak fixed and car all ok.
"Lucky it happened whilst parked and not whilst I was driving"

I'm out.


Well, for starters I am playing devils advocate. It helps me internalize my thoughts and make a final decision. Second, I am interested in all opinions and don't want someone to read just one, for example, and passively agree the situation has been resolved. So I'm throwing in the apple of discord.

At any rate, I was also very interested to see if anyone here had a similar experience, so that I'd know what to expect from the dealer. For example, there is a relatively new black TTRS on ebay that is being sold by the 2nd owner. Audi repurchased it from the FIRST owner because apparently there was brake noise, and it's Audi's policy to repurchase no questions asked, given the circumstances. Behold, a couple thousand miles after the second owner purchased from Audi, there was a recall on the front brakes (the reason the original owner heard noises).

So, something along those lines, I suppose….[/quote]

Fair enough. I'm back in

Does the dealer have to record what investigation they carry out?
Surely they need to investigate and rectify the problem, check oil pressure and possibly an oil sample - but this is an issue between you and them - no need, at this stage, for it to be recorded on the Audi Central computer.
The problem only becomes "visible" to a potential purchaser if you escalate this up to Audi head office?

The Audi dealer (I assume) is only a franchise after all?

When buying parts for my current S4 my local dealer had some records for the car - but only previous owners had taken it to other dealers within their group (Harwoods).
The service history from other dealers is only visible to those individual dealers as far as I can tell.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:12 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

nitroracer wrote:


As far as an oil analysis is concerned, I don't trust the dealer to give me the correct results in the event that its in my favor.


Could easily have your own analysis done. We often get them done on boats that we survey. Costs about £50.
Pump a bit out of the dipstick tube into a sample bottle, pop in the post and results back in a few days.

Our samples go to Finnings (Caterpillar) so I think that most plant hire / service places would be able to do this for you.

Where in the country are you?  If you're near me pop in and I'll take and send off a sample.

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